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		<title>By: Sripathi</title>
		<link>http://shripathi.com/2006/07/23/carnatic-music/fluffing-your-lines/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Sripathi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than memorizing the swaras for that particular concert, he must have been singing the same swaras again and again in all the concerts. TVS does that a lot. My brother and I would do that for most of his songs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than memorizing the swaras for that particular concert, he must have been singing the same swaras again and again in all the concerts. TVS does that a lot. My brother and I would do that for most of his songs.</p>
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		<title>By: Sowmya</title>
		<link>http://shripathi.com/2006/07/23/carnatic-music/fluffing-your-lines/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Sowmya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember when Unni was at his peak and I&#039;d gone to his Kutcheri at the IFS. The guy playing the thambura sang along on all the songs (which is very typical) but he also mouthed all the kalpana swaras! I was pretty disappointed that Unni had memorized the swaras for the concert..and lost interest in his kutcheris afterwards. After all isn&#039;t spontaneity what differentiates a concert and a CD?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when Unni was at his peak and I&#8217;d gone to his Kutcheri at the IFS. The guy playing the thambura sang along on all the songs (which is very typical) but he also mouthed all the kalpana swaras! I was pretty disappointed that Unni had memorized the swaras for the concert..and lost interest in his kutcheris afterwards. After all isn&#8217;t spontaneity what differentiates a concert and a CD?</p>
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		<title>By: Sakthi Balan</title>
		<link>http://shripathi.com/2006/07/23/carnatic-music/fluffing-your-lines/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Sakthi Balan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And one more thing; if I am not wrong (I assume it was a flute concert) I think I know Karthik well. I think he did his Btech in IITM when I was doing my PhD there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And one more thing; if I am not wrong (I assume it was a flute concert) I think I know Karthik well. I think he did his Btech in IITM when I was doing my PhD there.</p>
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		<title>By: Sakthi Balan</title>
		<link>http://shripathi.com/2006/07/23/carnatic-music/fluffing-your-lines/comment-page-1/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Sakthi Balan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this moment I remember what DKP said &quot;Practice a song 1000 times before rendering in a concert&quot;. This is not for every concert but for the first concert in which one is going to sing that song. I think if we do that it will never ever goes off our memory. But Human is entitled to make mistakes; hence forgetting 1 or 2 lines is ok. But doing it again and again is not at all professionalism.

And regarding learning from tape; I too agree with you. In my case I have never sang a song learned from tapes in a concert. In fact I will not have enough confidence to sing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this moment I remember what DKP said &#8220;Practice a song 1000 times before rendering in a concert&#8221;. This is not for every concert but for the first concert in which one is going to sing that song. I think if we do that it will never ever goes off our memory. But Human is entitled to make mistakes; hence forgetting 1 or 2 lines is ok. But doing it again and again is not at all professionalism.</p>
<p>And regarding learning from tape; I too agree with you. In my case I have never sang a song learned from tapes in a concert. In fact I will not have enough confidence to sing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sripathi</title>
		<link>http://shripathi.com/2006/07/23/carnatic-music/fluffing-your-lines/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Sripathi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I totally agree with you on that. One thing which I didn&#039;t make clear in my post was that the lyrics should be used only to provide cues to the artist if he forgets them. Ideally, we would like performers to not refer to their notes but there are a number of factors in the present day scenerio which might force them to do so;

1. Lack of gurukulavasa
2. Information Overload
3. Learning from tapes

1. Without gurukulavasa, it becomes difficult for the Guru to establish a strict training schedule where the sishya has no option but to memorize everything and the Guru would be in a position to ensure that happened.

2. Factors 2 and 3 are intertwined. In this Information Age, we have access to thousands of songs. Performers might like a particular song that they heard somewhere and might wish to learn it. Without access to a Guru, they might end up learning it from tapes. This can be both good and bad. It can be good in that the same rendition can be repeatedly played, enabling the artist to learn the nuances of the krithi well. But, depending on the experience level of the artist, this might fail on a number of fronts. 1) Lack of a Guru to explain the meaning 2) Complacency - Feeling that they have mastered the krithi before they actually have. This makes them move on to the next krithi and they end up learning a lot of krithis half of which they hardly remember.

I&#039;m sure I might be mistaken but I feel that artists should refrain learning from tapes alone until they reach a particular level. They should always strive to learn from someone even if the other person is a peer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I totally agree with you on that. One thing which I didn&#8217;t make clear in my post was that the lyrics should be used only to provide cues to the artist if he forgets them. Ideally, we would like performers to not refer to their notes but there are a number of factors in the present day scenerio which might force them to do so;</p>
<p>1. Lack of gurukulavasa<br />
2. Information Overload<br />
3. Learning from tapes</p>
<p>1. Without gurukulavasa, it becomes difficult for the Guru to establish a strict training schedule where the sishya has no option but to memorize everything and the Guru would be in a position to ensure that happened.</p>
<p>2. Factors 2 and 3 are intertwined. In this Information Age, we have access to thousands of songs. Performers might like a particular song that they heard somewhere and might wish to learn it. Without access to a Guru, they might end up learning it from tapes. This can be both good and bad. It can be good in that the same rendition can be repeatedly played, enabling the artist to learn the nuances of the krithi well. But, depending on the experience level of the artist, this might fail on a number of fronts. 1) Lack of a Guru to explain the meaning 2) Complacency &#8211; Feeling that they have mastered the krithi before they actually have. This makes them move on to the next krithi and they end up learning a lot of krithis half of which they hardly remember.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure I might be mistaken but I feel that artists should refrain learning from tapes alone until they reach a particular level. They should always strive to learn from someone even if the other person is a peer.</p>
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		<title>By: Sakthi Balan</title>
		<link>http://shripathi.com/2006/07/23/carnatic-music/fluffing-your-lines/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Sakthi Balan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eventhough your point is correct in view of perfection in lyrics, my view is slighlty different. If we have the lyrics infront of you and you see it and sing, there will be a slight diversion of concentration from what your singing to what is there on the paper. Myself being a singer, I have tried using the lyrics in some concert for the new songs which I had learned exclusively for that concert. When I do it its too difficult to manage both, i.e., reading the lyrics and singing with raga-bhavam. When I sing the song after memorizing it its totally different, it will be in different class alltogether.

So I personally feel that people should memorize it properly with the meaning and then sing them in concerts without the lyrics. I have never heard of MDR and KVN seeing the lyrics and singing in concerts. I know KVN is totally against having the lyrics in concerts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eventhough your point is correct in view of perfection in lyrics, my view is slighlty different. If we have the lyrics infront of you and you see it and sing, there will be a slight diversion of concentration from what your singing to what is there on the paper. Myself being a singer, I have tried using the lyrics in some concert for the new songs which I had learned exclusively for that concert. When I do it its too difficult to manage both, i.e., reading the lyrics and singing with raga-bhavam. When I sing the song after memorizing it its totally different, it will be in different class alltogether.</p>
<p>So I personally feel that people should memorize it properly with the meaning and then sing them in concerts without the lyrics. I have never heard of MDR and KVN seeing the lyrics and singing in concerts. I know KVN is totally against having the lyrics in concerts.</p>
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		<title>By: pushkala</title>
		<link>http://shripathi.com/2006/07/23/carnatic-music/fluffing-your-lines/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>pushkala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 04:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kalapana swarams in note book! Tongue tied!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kalapana swarams in note book! Tongue tied!</p>
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